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place. but enough from me. art laffer, and a former adviser to former president ronald reagan. i thought you and milton friedman told me that the tax burden is in fact the rate of spending. why are these economists saying it is not true? >> who knows. you are right government spending is taxation. pure and simple. it doesn't recreate resources it takes them from one group and gives them to another. every time we have had massive government spending we have had a problem in the economy. it is true. in 2007, 2008 when the crash occurred those were the biggest periods of government spending increase. as you may have seen my piece on 34 countries, those that have the biggest spending plans have the biggest declines. and the same thing happened after world war ii as you know. we had massive spending cuts from 44 to 46. and the economy boomed as never before. >> so here is the thing. this is the national association of business economists. this is not the worker's socialist union. and look, these guys are coming out, they are coming out with two points that i have made on the show. they are in
. in '80 ronald reagan was bemind the polls and had great debates and rises in the polls and bush in '88 had great debates and starts to rise. too early to complain. >> you don't agree with johnathon martin? >> john is one of the best reporters in washington but he is talking to a lot of must be pun /* republicans that are getting nervous. they don't see romney has a 50s guy but a viable alternative. >> agree with that. >> let me bring you in to this. i argue differently than what johnathon is saying. i think mitt is muddying his message on a variety of issues, including the tax issue which he just wrote up this week and i threw two with temper tantrums a blog and full column on the subject and got calls from ultra senior people in the romney campaign that i'm not sure frankly i wanted to talk to. you see roger stone, i don't know what mitt's message is sometimes. i think i know what he intends it to be. but he is not getting it out and talking to the middle class. >> the real problem with the mitt romney campaign is mitt romney. he is inauthentic. he comes across as a guy that will say
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